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 Today's Topics:
 
  1. Interesting article: Bloggers in Iran thrive despite
     censorship (Mathew McBride)
  2. Re: Protesters advocating child pornography:      Bernadette
     McMenamin (TheWomp)
  3. Re: Protesters advocating child pornography: Bernadette
     McMenamin (Geordie Guy)
  4. Re: Protesters advocating child pornography: Bernadette
     McMenamin (Irene Graham)
  5. Re: Protesters advocating child pornography: Bernadette
     McMenamin (Geordie Guy)
 
 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:57:47 +1100
 From: "Mathew McBride" <matt@[privacy]>;
 Subject: [STOP] Interesting article: Bloggers in Iran thrive despite
       censorship
 To: stop-censorship@lists.efa.org.au
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 Hello all,
 I heard this on BBC World Radio Newshour program list night, worth a
 read and listen to the interviews:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782771.stm
 
 I find it amusing that it only takes 'simple domain name TLD
 substitution' or 'using https' (according to the first blogger
 interviewed) to bypass it.
 The Iranian government is clearly loosing the arms race, not only in the
 filtering area but the volume of sites they try to filter (I guess).
 
 - Mathew
 
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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:39:28 +1030
 From: TheWomp <womp.the@[privacy]>;
 Subject: Re: [STOP] Protesters advocating child pornography:
       Bernadette      McMenamin
 To: stop-censorship@lists.efa.org.au
 Message-ID: <4946D598.5030005@[privacy]>;
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
 Also, with TOR it may be very easy to use, especially if you use the
 Firefox extension, but the performance hit is awful. Something that
 people who haven't bothered to try it before recommending it neglect to
 mention.
 
 
 
 Geordie Guy wrote:
 > That said...
 >
 > The DLC are only marginally more accurate than Conroy when it comes to
 > the facts on this issue.  While it's neat to see people taking the
 > fight to the streets, their technical knowledge regarding filtering
 > technology is appalling, their understanding of the law around
 > censorship is worse.
 >
 > I'd been ignoring it up until now because some of it was indeterminate
 > as to whether it was poor quoting and journalistic error, but;
 >
 >     "This filter will only affect three access ports, so the simplest
 >     way to bypass it is to configure your modem settings and alter
 >     what ports you're accessing the internet from. Alternatively, if
 >     you're not tech savvy then all you have to do is download a
 >     program called Tor, which is a program designed to help Chinese
 >     and Iranian residents get around their filters. It's that simple."
 >
 >
 >
 >    1. if Jeremiah Hutchinson claims to know what three TCP ports the
 >       filter runs on, I'd like to know myself.  80... and ?  Maybe
 >       8080 and 3128?
 >    2. Configure your modem settings for what ports you're accessing
 >       the Internet from?  What has that to do with anything? Filters
 >       look at destination ports which are beyond your control, not
 >       source ports which are entirely random.
 >    3. Tor was /not/ designed to help Chinese and Iranian residents get
 >       around filters.
 >
 >
 > This statement is wrong in it's entirety.
 >
 > The DLC speaker at the Sydney rallies also claimed that the agreement
 > at the NSW filtering forum recently was that the proposed filter would
 > be worse than China or Iran, when in fact Alana said it was nothing
 > like those systems at all.  There's also confusion about DLC speeches
 > saying that copyright infringing material and defamatory material
 > would be blocked.  Perhaps it would but there's been no indication
 > from elsewhere that this is the case and they didnt' source it.
 >
 > Further, nobody has any idea who the Digital Liberty Coalition
 > actually are because they insist on silly secret handshakes and
 > anonymity.  Still.
 >
 > I'm going to email them to ask for clarification on this.
 >
 >
 
 
 --
 Clean Feed, it "cleans" the Internet in the same way that Ethnic
 Cleansing "cleanses" the population.
 
 http://filtermenot.googlepages.com/home
 
 
 
 
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 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:21:28 +1100
 From: "Geordie Guy" <elomis@[privacy]>;
 Subject: Re: [STOP] Protesters advocating child pornography:
       Bernadette      McMenamin
 To: TheWomp <womp.the@[privacy]>;
 Cc: stop-censorship@lists.efa.org.au
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 There's a load of problems with it, not the least of which is when you hit
 websites that automatically render themselves in Chinese, Japanese, Dutch
 etc. because they think you are coming from a different IP address in
 another country.  It would've been great if the DLC had sat down with it for
 5 minutes before going on record.  The EFA as well as a whole bunch of
 individuals and communities are particularly good at policy analysis, the
 DLC and a whole bunch of individuals and communities are good at drawing
 attention to themselves and the issues.  It'd be great if our appreciation
 of their work could be reciprocated a little and they could read into things
 a bit more deeply.
 
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:09 AM, TheWomp <womp.the@[privacy]>; wrote:
 
 >  Also, with TOR it may be very easy to use, especially if you use the
 > Firefox extension, but the performance hit is awful. Something that people
 > who haven't bothered to try it before recommending it neglect to mention.
 >
 >
 >
 > Geordie Guy wrote:
 >
 > That said...
 >
 > The DLC are only marginally more accurate than Conroy when it comes to the
 > facts on this issue.  While it's neat to see people taking the fight to the
 > streets, their technical knowledge regarding filtering technology is
 > appalling, their understanding of the law around censorship is worse.
 >
 > I'd been ignoring it up until now because some of it was indeterminate as
 > to whether it was poor quoting and journalistic error, but;
 >
 > "This filter will only affect three access ports, so the simplest way to
 >> bypass it is to configure your modem settings and alter what ports you're
 >> accessing the internet from. Alternatively, if you're not tech savvy then
 >> all you have to do is download a program called Tor, which is a program
 >> designed to help Chinese and Iranian residents get around their filters.
 >> It's that simple."
 >>
 >
 >
 >
 >    1. if Jeremiah Hutchinson claims to know what three TCP ports the
 >    filter runs on, I'd like to know myself.  80... and ?  Maybe 8080 and 3128?
 >     2. Configure your modem settings for what ports you're accessing the
 >    Internet from?  What has that to do with anything? Filters look at
 >    destination ports which are beyond your control, not source ports which are
 >    entirely random.
 >     3. Tor was *not* designed to help Chinese and Iranian residents get
 >    around filters.
 >
 >
 > This statement is wrong in it's entirety.
 >
 > The DLC speaker at the Sydney rallies also claimed that the agreement at
 > the NSW filtering forum recently was that the proposed filter would be worse
 > than China or Iran, when in fact Alana said it was nothing like those
 > systems at all.  There's also confusion about DLC speeches saying that
 > copyright infringing material and defamatory material would be blocked.
 > Perhaps it would but there's been no indication from elsewhere that this is
 > the case and they didnt' source it.
 >
 > Further, nobody has any idea who the Digital Liberty Coalition actually are
 > because they insist on silly secret handshakes and anonymity.  Still.
 >
 > I'm going to email them to ask for clarification on this.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > Clean Feed, it "cleans" the Internet in the same way that Ethnic Cleansing "cleanses" the population.
 > http://filtermenot.googlepages.com/home
 >
 >
 >
 > --
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 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:05:06 +1000
 From: Irene Graham <rene.scn@[privacy]>;
 Subject: Re: [STOP] Protesters advocating child pornography:
       Bernadette      McMenamin
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 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:28:38 +1100, Geordie Guy wrote:
 
 > That said...
 >
 > The DLC are only marginally more accurate than Conroy when it comes to
 > the facts on this issue.  While it's neat to see people taking the
 > fight to the streets, their technical knowledge regarding filtering
 > technology is appa lling, their understanding of the law around
 > censorship is worse.
 
 Yes, that is a major problem and enables people like McMenamin to claim
 that 'everyone' protesting is misinformed etc (while demonstrating that she
 herself is also misinformed about other things).
 
 On the issue of promulgation of misinformation, I find it problematic that
 this page:
 http://www.efa.org.au/censorship/mandatory-isp-blocking/#SS_4b
 
 still says (as it has since Mar 2006) that:
 "Content identified by the ACMA as 'prohibited content' ... does not
 include content that would be classified R18+ that is hosted on overseas
 site, nor does it include any content that would be classified MA15+ ..."
 
 and goes on to speculate that Labor may extend the blacklist to R18+
 content.
 
 This (mis)information on an EFA page is not helpful, to say the least, to
 people who are trying to get the message out that the compulsory blocking
 list is not limited to 'pornography'.
 
 (And, no, I have not emailed the EFA Board directly about that because when
 I mentioned it on this list over a month ago, Colin Jacobs posted a follow
 up on 12 Nov 2008 making it apparent that the Board was aware of it and
 said "Revisions of these are coming...". "These" being the above page and
 another one at: http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens1.html )
 
 Irene
 
 
 
 
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 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:09:55 +1100
 From: "Geordie Guy" <elomis@[privacy]>;
 Subject: Re: [STOP] Protesters advocating child pornography:
       Bernadette      McMenamin
 To: "Irene Graham" <rene.scn@[privacy]>;
 Cc: stop-censorship@lists.efa.org.au
 Message-ID:
       <27e15be00812151509q6b13eb79g61c3ac03c759133a@[privacy]>;
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 Irene I'll make sure that gets fixed today.  Thanks for the information.
 
 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Irene Graham <rene.scn@[privacy]>wrote:
 
 > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:28:38 +1100, Geordie Guy wrote:
 >
 > > That said...
 > >
 > > The DLC are only marginally more accurate than Conroy when it comes to
 > > the facts on this issue.  While it's neat to see people taking the
 > > fight to the streets, their technical knowledge regarding filtering
 > > technology is appa lling, their understanding of the law around
 > > censorship is worse.
 >
 > Yes, that is a major problem and enables people like McMenamin to claim
 > that 'everyone' protesting is misinformed etc (while demonstrating that she
 > herself is also misinformed about other things).
 >
 > On the issue of promulgation of misinformation, I find it problematic that
 > this page:
 > http://www.efa.org.au/censorship/mandatory-isp-blocking/#SS_4b
 >
 > still says (as it has since Mar 2006) that:
 > "Content identified by the ACMA as 'prohibited content' ... does not
 > include content that would be classified R18+ that is hosted on overseas
 > site, nor does it include any content that would be classified MA15+ ..."
 >
 > and goes on to speculate that Labor may extend the blacklist to R18+
 > content.
 >
 > This (mis)information on an EFA page is not helpful, to say the least, to
 > people who are trying to get the message out that the compulsory blocking
 > list is not limited to 'pornography'.
 >
 > (And, no, I have not emailed the EFA Board directly about that because when
 > I mentioned it on this list over a month ago, Colin Jacobs posted a follow
 > up on 12 Nov 2008 making it apparent that the Board was aware of it and
 > said "Revisions of these are coming...". "These" being the above page and
 > another one at: http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens1.html )
 >
 > Irene
 >
 >
 >
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